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funny that you should cite a homosexual in your defence of Islam when it categorically denigrates the kind...btw wilde also said

Truth, in the matters of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived.

So please refrain from selective interpretation. What did I do wrong? I asked that I be allowed personal freedoms without being strait-jacketed by sermonizing, moralizing clergy....those who wish to subscribe to that world-view are welcome to do so, why do I have to be forced to do the same?

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^^ very well said.

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LOL..

Fine I refrain from selective interpretation, but can you please refrain from making such absurd interpretation? That saying of Wilde (a homosexual) was not used in any means to defend Islam, however I'd love to know where you got this insanely false idea from. Perhaps had you read properly you would've figured that the saying was particularly used simply to highlight the ridiculously of your hypocritical ranting. In case you are still confuse and to prevent another outrageous reply from you, let me amke it clear that saying was purely used for you!

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you should cite a homosexual in your defence of Islam when it categorically denigrates the kind

Just wondering, what would've been your typical response had any Mullah demonstrated such cheap and irrelavent nit picking? LOL

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You answered your own question; see the underlined, that is the real issue. Anyone and everyone stands up and becomes a Mullah

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What next, gonna declare me a Mullah?,go ahead, Me and my Lord knows who I am. lol...True what you said could be applied to most people here

See I'm fully aware that there are bad actually really dangerous moulvis out there who are wasting no oppertunity to drift as many people as possible away from Islam. However, few isolated cases cannot be generalized or used to judge every singal man with the similar title. And what's even more insane is that beacuse of those bad mullah's people end up pointing fingers at Islam. There is this very negetive perception people have for ALL the scholars and moulvis which is not just unhealthy but also dangerous. Condemn those who deserve it but don't altogether insult this supposed to be much respected population.

Naah, you have not given me any reason to call you a Mullah but your ideals (what I have read till now) will make me say that you do live in a 'fools fantasy'.

If most (I myself am saying 'most') of the so called Mullahs are corrupt dangerous humans then why can't I generalize it. I though whichever numbers are higher, generalization is approximated in that direction. It is not even about education; I had heard in my youth people saying that the problem with maulves is that they are not educated. Well that could be 'a' problem but that isn't 'the' problem. It is the Mullah ideology that is the issue.

In our recent history; one of them was a highly educated mullah, his name was Abdul Aziz (Jammah Masjid, Islamabad). He has been educated by some of the best educators in late 70s and 80s. His education was not the issue in the end but his narrow interpertation of Islam was the problem.

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Oh yeah, so what exactly I'll belong to if I join your anti Mullah or lets say great generalization group? Will that make me appear as if I live in clever and more updated fantasy?

But the real question is, this definite, repetitive and consistent generalization really a healthy thing? Surely, certain bad apples cannot fade the credibility of the good and honest Moulvis out there. If more and more absurd cases are merging doesnt mean all the sane ones have extinct. The main concern is that this generalization at the end of the day doing nothing but completely poisoning people's general perception about this particular population. Which is by large a bad thing.

As with Abdul Aziz, again ALL the moulvis cannot be penalized and put into the same category because of his deeds.

^ oo bhai maay jitni bhee examples doon gaa tum mujhay kahoo gaay .. just this one .. just that one .. just a few ..

How about I will convert the day I see a COLLECTIVE good done for the the HUMANITY by the Mullahs

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'Accept getting old or cease to exist' - My Wife | 'Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.' - 1984 - George Orwell

Most have done so much good and still continuing doing so. You just need to take a break from this negative and pessimistic generlization, in order to reflect

I was taught how to read and understand Quran by a Mullah, was taught namazz and the difference between halal and haram things by a Mullah who is still performing his duty with real dedication , this is a very small example but does that count?

Even oitside Pakistan I know many Mullahs who have successfully knitted Muslims togther and formed communities, a unit.

^ good for you for your positive experiance

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maybe you should go and experience the same thing coz u seem to be very biased against molvis

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^ I am talking from my experience and I am guessing I might have more then most of the members here

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So this is your personal experience...cant be generalize.
Duniya Nay Tajarbaat-o-Hawadis Ki Shakl Mein.....
Jo Kuch Mujhay Diya Hay Wo Lota Raha Hoon Mein

Well I guess the saying that wisdom comes with age cannot be generlized either...

Although, you'll always have people jumping and shooting from their back on every given opportunity whenever the word 'moulvi' or 'fatwa' is mentioned. But I think this fatwa was inevitable, as far as I know many scholars came on TV and made it pretty clear that all the Hadiths and narrations were misused and misinterpreted. It only gave one sided or perhaps the desired view. In Islam music isn't totally banned but at the same time there's no room for its encouragement as well, and this basic idea was somehow purposely ignored in that movie.

When we can allow film makers to present the view they want to express then why should be hold scholars throat and stop them from expressing their irritation based flawed representation of a film maker ? You can't stop a reaction from religious authorities when there are serious misrepresentations, because a little flaw in belief can cause a serious further damage. However, this movie did create an expected reaction, but unfortunately some appeared rather extreme. Surprisingly, to a very large extent this fatwa turned out be a very positive reminder, it actually made people question, ok what exactly Islam says about music? To what extent this fatwa (condemnation in simple terms) is valid? It sparked discussions for good.